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November 18, 2009
Perminate Link for eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandising   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandising
By: Ina Steiner
Wed Nov 18 2009 14:00:55
To the Editor:
In spite of the fact that I have ALWAYS opted out of cross-promotions on my ebay listings, deceptive ebay still cross-promotes to my buyers (but hides from me) my competitor's similar items on the bottom of MY listings that I am paying for!

They show 5 competing item links with photos, titled "Check out the most watched" while hiding that fact from me if I am signed in and viewing my own listing pages! (Because they know when it's me doing the viewing.)

However, if I sign out, erase all my ebay cookies, (or use another browser version that has no ebay cookies yet), then they don't know it's me that's looking . . . so if I do an ebay search for my same item while anonymous . . . they will then display 5 of my competitor's items on the bottom of my listing.

The only thing that puzzles me is that they cross-promote my competitors on only about 80% of my listings. I can't figure out any pattern that determines when they will or won't do it. (Maybe it's a random thing.)

I've tested and verified this extensively using IE, Firefox, Safari, and Opera browsers, and there can be no mistake that this deception to sellers is intentionally going on.

Any seller can verify whether this fraud is also going on in their listings, by performing the following steps:

1. Using any browser, erase all cookies so ebay won't know it's you. (ebay uses multiple cookie names, so merely erasing your browser's ebay.com cookie might not be sufficient to hide your identity from them.) If this is inconvenient . . . because it will also wipe out other saved passwords, etc., then use a different browser version that you don't normally use.

2. Now, not logged in, stealthly disguised as a random anonymous ebay shopper, do an ebay search for your items on ebay.com until you find one with a competitor's cross-promotions displayed on the bottom of your listing.

3. Copy that ebay listing item number onto your clipboard.

4. Sign in to ebay using any browser, (even the one you are already using), then paste your saved ebay item number into the ebay search box and bring up that item again after you are signed in. The cross-promoted items at the bottom of your page won't appear, because now you are signed in and they know it's you that's looking!

This is willful deception of the sellers who are paying them for listings!

I am contemplating whether to go to a major news organization with this. I wonder if Matt Drudge would be interested in this sort of thing.(?)

If you decide to publish this, I would be interested in reading comments from your readers, before I go any further with this.
(name withheld on request)

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eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: RicRoe
Wed Nov 18 15:12:11 2009
If you find that you can not get your preferences to stick when opting out of cross promotions, there is another way around the ads....bury them at the bottom of your page.

Edit your listing and go to the last line in your description. Make sure that you have gone to the last line, then insert as many blank lines as you can to get to the bottom of the page.

Insert a line of text, maybe something along the lines of Thank You For Looking.

The majority of buyers will not scroll that far down a page past all that white space so they will not see the ads at the bottom of your page.

eBay may be forcing you to display cross promotion ads, but there is nothing stopping you from pushing those ads so far down the page few if any buyers will see them.
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: Joe
Wed Nov 18 15:43:47 2009
Well why use ebay? You dont own the site you pay to list I agree but that doesnt give you right to 100% of the page?

So not to a tart but I dont understand why people dont build websites and buy ads on Google yahoo and bing and sell your items via your on site.  No EBAY fees No Competitor ads unless you want to get paid to run ads with adsense!

Wake up EBAYER there is a better way!
or quit crying and use what ebay gives you.
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: Joe
Wed Nov 18 15:48:49 2009
Well why use ebay? You dont own the site so you shouldnt complain as to what the owners want. You pay to list I agree but that doesnt give you right to 100% of the page?  Your a tenant not a landlord.  Same principle

So not to be a tart But really I do not understand why people havnt simply started building websites and then start buying ads on Google Yahoo and bing and sell your items from the website you build.  No EBAY fees No Competitor ads unless you want to get paid to run ads with adsense!

Wake up EBAYERS there is a better way!
Read what I said slowly and ask yourself why not?

Or quit crying and use what ebay gives you.
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: HAD IT
Wed Nov 18 15:56:47 2009
This is the last straw! I have read auction bytes daily for years and never commented. I swallowed all the force fed garbage because I need the income to survive. I have been doing a slow burn for years hoping ebay would eventually run out of stupid ideas and insane changes. Not going to happen. Advertising competitors listings on the space we rent is insane to accept! How dumb does ebay think sellers are! For years ebay has insulted the intelligence and integrity of sellers and we have put up with it. But this is the last straw. Ming, you are the voice of reason. Others, like me, have got to feel the fire with this latest tatic and join forces. Also interesting, and probably, illegal is ebay hiding the truth to the sellers when they review their view of their listings are intentionally altered to hide the the view seen by buyers. How deceptive. I am also sure buyers are sick of all the junk hitting them in the face. More junk, more time wasted. ebay is really stupid.
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: Joe
Wed Nov 18 16:13:31 2009
Also I can see why EBAY is listing other ads at the bottom of the site.
As a site owner its smart.

Fresh circulating content on the bottom of these pages also gives fresh food for Google Bing and Yahoo for SEO purposes which does benefit all sellers with additional exposure from better ranking in the search engines. I see Chinese based websites running live feed html and scrolling feed content and they are marching right up the Search Engines with dominant number one rankings when using this strategy.

So maybe Ebay is simply playing the SEO game to benefit all sellers.  I can see the good and bad in the value but once again I am sure EBAY has its reasons and they know you have choices in where you sell these days.

Just more food for thought!
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: HAD IT
Wed Nov 18 16:39:16 2009
Dear Joe

''So maybe Ebay is simply playing the SEO game to benefit all sellers.  I can see the good and bad in the value but once again I am sure EBAY has its reasons and they know you have choices in where you sell these days.''

Since when did ebay do anything to ''benefit the sellers''!

Ha ha ha ha ha.... that's a good one.
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: christine
Wed Nov 18 16:46:10 2009
How much flogging can sellers take? I quit eBay in May 2008 when I noticed a pattern of deception with the company and an arrogant disloyalty to its base of sellers. The climate of deceptive practices and total disregard for the REAL customer (SELLERS) has caught up with eBay, hasn't it? The sum of changes has eroded eBay to the point that at long last AMAZON has surpassed page views. It's time to jump ship and join the civilized world of Amazon.

Christine
Former eBay Platinum Powerseller
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: EventHorizon1984
Wed Nov 18 16:50:20 2009
eBay Cross Merchandising at work.

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/topic/Ebay-Stores/More-Proof-E
bay/520168943
More
proof ebay is INSANE!

//*

''I'm never surprised when the gods of advertising remind me once again that there is nothing permanent in the business but change.''
Mal MacDougall
Who coined the phrase, ''Come to think of it, I'll have a Heineken.''
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: HAD IT
Wed Nov 18 18:16:10 2009
Most ebay sellers expect and welcome change as they, as entrepreneurs, realize change is essential on many levels. However it is welcome and effective only if it is rational! The numerous and constant changes ebay has made are not rational or effective. I could go into detail but I don't believe in wasting your time as you all know what I mean. Short response is that the insane changes are one sided (to say the least) and insulting to both buyer and sellers. Also entrepreneurs may try a change but they have the common sense to monitor and revise or reverse a change if not effective or, especially, if it is negative. Sometimes things we do in life bite us but then we are smart enough to rethink and revise. But dumb dumb ebay does not make rational changes in the first place and would never ever retract. If ebay was a person he/she would and should be a poster child for a list of self inflicted mental disorders. Deception and manuliputaltion to name a few of many. ebay is a sociopath. And so is the best buddy, paypal
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: Unbelievable
Thu Nov 19 02:35:28 2009
Around October 2008, AOL was hit by a lawsuit. The case, Cecchini v. AOL LLC, stated, “AOL attached advertisements to over 100 million emails without the subscribers’ permission.” Why is this situation different with eBay?
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: Ebay Pays My Minimum Monthly Payment
Thu Nov 19 08:27:57 2009

CNBC did on special a few years back called "The Ebay Effect". I wish they would do another updated version and show how the Ebay marketplace is falling apart.
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: tita
Thu Nov 19 08:55:59 2009
Just a comment on book selling.  I recently have started listing on Amazon and have been SO satisfied.  You can get your listing up quickly and not get nickeled and dimed to death while the book is listed.  I'm pretty much done with book selling on eBay now; the searching for books is so terrible that I wonder buyers use eBay at all.  Traffic on Amazon is better too.
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: Sam
Thu Nov 19 09:42:35 2009
''CNBC did on special a few years back called ''The Ebay Effect''. I wish they would do another updated version and show how the Ebay marketplace is falling apart.''

I advise everyone to bombard CNBC with messages asking them to do just that. I did, at the following link. Scroll down the page where it says Contact Customer Care:
https://register.cnbc.com/email/EmailSupport.jsp


eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: HAD IT
Thu Nov 19 19:24:37 2009
Thanks Sam, just finished emailing cnbc. Hope it helps
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: Greg
Thu Nov 19 20:44:45 2009
I went to CNBC's page for ''The eBay Effect'' and this is their e-mail for comments.

ebay@cnbc.com

I've already e-mailed a request for an updated version of the program. I would e-mail to both CNBC Customer Care and to the above e-mail address. Send your comments to both addresses, lets cover all our bases with CNBC.

If enough eBay users make themselves and the ongoing problems known...
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: John
Fri Nov 20 12:26:54 2009
I am a long time powerseller, 10 years. I just checked out this by deleting all cookies and going to ebay as a guest on another computer. I must say the original poster is absolutely correct. Ebay had competitors ads at the bottom of two of my ads that I checked I checked about ten. I signed back in to this computer and went onto to ebay and the ads were not there, ebay is hiding this from me because they are doing something wrong. This is clearly wrong the ads in one ad were directly competing with my items and they were from the same company, a huge company and seller is their rep. for this giant retailer. If this is happening to you go to the Santa Clara County District Attorney's website they are in California, they have a consumer protection office and you can download a complaint form. This is out and out deceptive business practices, it is clear to me ebay is favoring certain sellers and trying to harm the sales of small businesses who are not on the ebay diamond powerseller wish list. You cannot make the complaint personal it has to be generalized, as ebays cross selling program is in ads that a seller pays for, these ads are hidden from the seller who paid for the ad and are ads from the sellers competitors. When a seller signs in as a guest with ebay cookies erased, the ads are not hidden. This is deceptive and ebay is also not allowing sellers to opt of this  cross promoting like they stated. Sellers who pay for ads expect the item they listed in the ad and other ads they promote themselves that they sell to be the only item available in that ad. A competitors item should never be in another sellers ad. This is not the only thing this deceptive company is doing wrong, it is just unbelievable. If you pass this along and enough sellers file a complaint this will be heard. I have been building a website and plan to someday get off ebay but in the meantime I expect to get the full attention of the buyer looking at my ad and I do not want the buyer distracted by other ads from my competitors that ebay is helping to destroy me PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: Fred
Sun Nov 22 16:19:03 2009
Original writer is 100% wrong - you can opt out.  

There is a brand new option in the marketing section of your account profile that has absolutely nothing to do with the original cross-selling settings and rules.  This new option is set to ''ON'' by default - so unless you turn it OFF, it goes live for everyone automatically.

It's called ''Promotoe Similar Items''.  Turn if off, and the ''Most Watched'' cross marketing on the bottom of listings stops immediately.

Tested this many times - it works - no question about it.  Turn it off, and it's gone.

Also...No need to delete cookies or any other nonsense.  Just login as a ''guest'' or any account other than the seller of the item you're looking at, and you can see the ads.
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: Larry
Sun Nov 22 20:18:57 2009
@Fred:

No, the original writer was 100% correct at the time of the writing.
Your comments are a few days late in coming.

Now, several days later, it appears that maybe it might be fixed.  Methinks that the reason the ebay search was not working for about 12 hours on Saturday, is that they were probably frantically working on fixing this problem, after they read this forum and saw that they had been caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

I noticed when I did searches for my items Saturday afternoon and evening, I either got zero items, or all other sellers items but not my own, or, all my items only but nobody else's.  The difference in my search results obviously then depended on whether I was logged in or just browsing anonymously.  That was too bizarre to be coincidental.
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: It's still going on!!!
Sat Dec 5 20:55:28 2009
I have an item listed and I am opted out of cross-merchandising. There are no cross-merchandising items on the bottom of my page when I look at it. HOWEVER, WHEN MY GIRLFRIEND LOOKS UP MY ITEM ON HER COMPUTER, THERE ARE 5 COMPETITOR ADS ON THE BOTTOM OF MY LISTING PAGE!!! IT IS NOW DECEMBER 5TH.  WHEN WILL THIS SNEAKY PRACTICE END???
(Sorry to shout, but I am really pi$$ed about this!
eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi   eBay Seller Unable to Opt-out of Cross Merchandisi
by: Shortfuse
Mon Dec 7 00:38:09 2009
@ "Fred"
"Tested this many times - it works - no question about it.  Turn it off, and it's gone"

  YOu're talking b.s. If what you say is true.. why do you have to TEST IT SOOOOOO MANY TIMES..." ?

People.. the real deal is.. if you're logged on as the seller.. it won't show.. but log in again as guest or whatever... and you'll see that it goes to 'DEFAULT' - goes back to 'CROSS MERCHANDISING'.. NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU OPT OUT... just like ebay's great 'SEARCH' system... sometimes in a day.. sometimes a few days.. sometimes a week...

Ebay is sabotaging the sellers.... all of are getting nailed to the wall.
I don't sell only on ebay.. i sell on various other sites.. and have made sales.. so i know that there is spending money out there..

 Ebay wants to get rid of all of their sellers... except for the corporations... like buy.com etc....

I'm glad AB is here.. to have a place to find out what's really going on.. since we lost the forums.. on ebay.. and our tongues have been cut out .. and we've been silienced..
N.O.I.S.E. is what it's all about...


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